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Open Product/Process CR PC021903-1CM Detail

 
Title: Change to Section 8.0 of the CMP Document
CR Number Current Status
Date
Area Impacted Products Impacted

PC021903-1CM Completed
4/15/2009
Originator: Osborne-Miller, Donna
Originator Company Name: AT&T
Owner: Buhler, Dean
Director:
CR PM: White, Matt

Description Of Change

AT&T believes that in Section 8.0, under the heading, "Application to Application OSS Interface", the language should read as follows: In the event that IMA EDI major releases are implemented more than six months apart, any CLEC desiring to delay retirement of the previous release should submit a CR requesting the delay. Qwest will review and grant the retirement delay up until the required test window for the next Major Release. The second sentence should be changed to read as follows: Qwest will review and grant the retirement delay up until sixty days after the Release Production Date for trhe next Major Release.


Date Action Description
2/20/2003 CP presented at the CMP Systems Meeting 
2/25/2003 AT&T submitted redlined language illustrating requested change 
3/11/2003 Ad Hoc Meeting 
3/16/2003 Discussed at CMP Meeting 
4/19/2003 Discussed at CMP Meeting 
4/28/2003 Vote Meeting 
5/16/2003 Ad Hoc Meeting 
5/20/2003 Vote Notification distributed 
5/21/2003 Discussed at CMP Meeting 
5/27/2003 Passed by unanimous vote at Ad Hoc Meeting 
4/15/2009 Discussed at Monthly CMP Meeting Discussed at the April CMP Meeting - See Attachment N in the Distribution Package 
4/21/2009 Status Changed Status changed to Completed - CR placed in a Closed status in error 

Project Meetings

CMP Meeting 06-18-03

White-Qwest stated that the change was implemented on 5/30. Quintana-CPUC asked if the new language was in the PCAT. White-Qwest stated that he would find out and send Quintana an e-mail. ======================================= 05-21-03 CMP Meeting

White-Qwest provided a status.

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Attendees Matt White – Qwest Rene Albersheim – Qwest Wendy Green – Qwest Lori Mendoza - Allegiance Liz Balvin – MCI Mike Zulevic - Covad Sharon Van Meter – AT&T

White-Qwest described the purpose of the meeting, explained that the standard for quorum was 6 carriers and stated that the voting standard was unanimity. He stated that Qwest had received Eschelon’s vote ahead of time and that with it, quorum had been established. He asked if there were any questions. There were none.

White-Qwest opened the balloting. The carriers on the line all cast their vote by voice as follows:

Qwest – Yes Allegiance – Yes Covad – Yes MCI – Yes AT&T – Yes

White-Qwest stated that Eschelon’s e-mail vote was ‘Yes’ the CR had passed by unanimous vote. He asked how the change should be implemented. Van Meter-AT&T stated that AT&T would like it implemented with a Level 1 Notification. There were no objections. White-Qwest thanked the attendees and adjourned the call.

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Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes 05-15-03

Attendees Wendy Green – Qwest Matt White – Qwest John Finnegan – AT&T Lori Mendoza – Allegiance Liz Balvin – MCI Stephanie Prull – McLeod Bonnie Johnson – Eschelon Monica Avila – Vartec

White-Qwest welcomed the attendees and describes the purpose of the meeting. He asked if any of the participants had comments about the proposed language.

Balvin-MCI stated that her concern is that the way the language is written, Qwest can mess up the migration immediately before the sunset date and the CLEC can be left high and dry. Green-Qwest stated that by the time the release sunsets, Qwest will have migrated many CLECs. Similarly, Qwest tries not to schedule any migratations on the last weekend to allow for a week of cushion. Balvin-MCI stated that the possibility still exists for Qwest to require a CLEC to use the GUI. Finnegan-AT&T stated that MCI’s issue is that they may not be up and running on the new release in time. He stated that the language that was added addresses the possibility of stopping earlier than the 60th day. Balvin-MCI stated that her biggest concern is that there is nothing in the language that covers the CLECs if Qwest has any fault in the reason that the CLEC hasn’t successfully migrated. She asked what would happen if MCI realizes that, after migration, there are issues that are Qwest’s fault. She asked what the CLEC’s recourse was at that time. White-Qwest stated that Balvin’s concern was not within the scope of this CR. He stated that this CR was originated by AT&T to allow CLECs to skip releases, not to discuss the finer points of migration difficulties. Balvin-MCI stated that this doesn’t get to the point of telling the CLECs that they would need to get the GUI if they failed to migrate to the new release. Finnegan-AT&T stated that it sounded like MCI’s preference would be to extend the release a little further. Balvin-MCI stated that was what she was after if it is a Qwest issue that has fouled up the migration. Finnegan-AT&T asked if MCI was concerned about not being able to get onto the newest release. Balvin-MCI stated that the language as it stands has a hole in it. There is no guarantee that the CLECs will not get high and dry if Qwest messes up the migration. White-Qwest stated that this problem would apply to all situations when a release is sunsetting. He explained that was why it is necessary to do a new CR to address this issue. Finnegan-AT&T stated that the proposed language was originally set up to allow CLECs to skip releases. He stated that MCI is bringing up an additional issue to address what happens if a CLEC cannot get on a release. Balvin-MCI asked if AT&T was comfortable with the language as it sits. Finnegan-AT&T stated that he was comfortable that the language allows AT&T to skip releases. He explained that he shared the concern about the successful migration, but could see that being in a new CR. Balvin-MCI stated that her issue is outside the scope of this CR. She stated that she would want to add new language for normal and extended sunsets. Finnegan-AT&T asked if the team could include language that allowed the release to be extended further. Green-Qwest asked what happened when Qwest technically cannot extend the release any further, because Qwest can technically only support three releases. Balvin-MCI stated that was a good point. She stated that the 60 day retirement delay is usually bumping up against the forth version. She asked if there were ever periods when Qwest intends to do a migration, and has to postpone it. Green-Qwest stated that she has never seen that happen. Balvin-MCI asked if there had ever been a migration that Qwest has messed up. Green-Qwest stated that there had not. Balvin-MCI stated that she recognized that this would be a rare occurrence. She stated that she felt like this language is to cover Qwest and there is a chance for CLECs to be left high and dry. She stated that she did not want to upset the AT&T change request but did not know how to get around covering CLECs in this instance. She stated that language could read “If Qwest is unable to migrate a company, the 60 day retirement extension will be extended to allow the CLEC to successfully migrate.” Finnegan-AT&T stated that he did not know how to address MCI’s concern and move forward with this CR. Balvin-MCI stated that the language as proposed gets to what the CLECs are after. She stated that the other issue will be a separate CR.

Balvin-MCI stated that she would need to get with her internal contacts to develop a new CR. She stated that she was fine if the group voted on this one as it stands.

White-Qwest stated that Qwest would propose a date to vote on the change and distribute the appropriate notification.

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Ad Hoc – Vote Meeting Minutes 04-28-03

Attendees Matt White – Qwest Dean Buhler – Qwest Wendy Green - Qwest Bonnie Johnson – Eschelon Liz Balvin – MCI Lori Mendoza – Allegiance Stephanie Prull – McLeod Donna Osborne-Miller – AT&T

White-Qwest described the purpose of the meeting, explained that the standard for quorum was 5 carriers, and that the voting standard was unanimous. He stated that quorum had been established and asked if there were any questions.

Johnson-Eschelon asked how Qwest kept track of who migrated. Green-Qwest stated that Qwest tracked conversions very quickly. She stated that Qwest wouldn’t retire the release until Qwest knew that all CLECs had successfully converted. Balvin-MCI stated that the language permitted Qwest to retire a release after all CLECs had converted without verifying that the conversions had been successful. She recommended that the language include “If all CLECs have successfully converted from the release.” Johnson-Eschelon recommended that the language include the phrase “successfully converted.” White-Qwest stated that Qwest would take the language back and attempt to address the concern. He explained that Qwest would then schedule another Ad Hoc meeting to discuss the additional proposed language. He stated that following that Ad Hoc meeting, Qwest could schedule a second vote meeting. He asked if there were any questions about the next steps. There were none. White-Qwest thanked the attendees and adjourned the meeting.

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04-16-03 - CMP Meeting

White-Qwest described the CR and noted that the CMP community needed to vote on the proposed language. Menezes-AT&T stated that this proposed language ensured that a CLEC could skip a release. He also noted that the second timeline would be included in the CMP Document. White-Qwest proposed that the vote be held on 4/28.

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03/19/03 CMP Meeting

Menezes-AT&T stated that because Buhler was not able to join the call AT&T and Qwest would have an off-line conversation about the Qwest proposed language. White-Qwest stated that he would schedule an Ah Hoc meeting to discuss the agreed-to language with the CMP community.

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Ad Hoc CMP Meeting March 10, 2003

Attendees: Matt White – Qwest Wendy Green – Qwest Beth Foster – Qwest Dean Buhler – Qwest Renee Albersheim - Qwest Sue Stott – Qwest Donna Osborne-Miller – AT&T Mitch Menezes – AT&T John Finnegan – AT&T Carla Pardee – AT&T John Berard – Covad Mike Zulevic - Covad Bonnie Johnson – Eschelon Kim Isaacs – Eschelon Lori Mendoza – Allegiance Becky Quintana – CPUC

White-Qwest started the meeting by welcoming the attendees, explaining the purpose of the meeting, and asking AT&T to describe their CR.

Finnegan-AT&T stated that this CR was submitted so the language in the document allowed CLECs to skip on release if they wished. Quintana-CPUC asked if this impacted PO18 or PO19. Finnegan-AT&T stated that he would investigate if the PID description needed to be changed.

Buhler-Qwest stated that having to extend the old release would cause Qwest additional resource requirements and cost. He continued that Qwest did not disagree with the nature of the request but that Qwest was developing additional language to propose to minimize some of the effects of the change. He stated that Qwest would present these proposed changes at the March 19, 2003, CMP Monthly Meeting. Finnegan-AT&T stated that AT&T had no problem with that.

White-Qwest stated that the vote would not be held at the March 19, 2003, CMP Meeting, but the attendees at that meeting would decide when to hold a vote. Menezes-AT&T asked if the vote could be held between monthly meetings. White-Qwest stated that it could.

The meeting was adjourned.


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