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Archived System CR SCR020404-01 Detail

 
Title: JAVA Upgrade
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SCR020404-01 Withdrawn
6/16/2004
-   1/ Pre-Ordering, Ordering LNP, UBL
Originator: Dowding, Byron
Originator Company Name: Alltel
Owner: Winston, Connie
Director:
CR PM: Esquibel-Reed, Peggy
Description Of Change
IMA GUI needs to be upgraded to support JAVA 1.4.2. ALLTEL and VeriSign are moving to implement JAVA 1.4.2 in the very near future. VeriSign has already moved to 1.4.2 and backed it out so we could continue getting to the NPAC.

Expected Deliverable:

Implement by July 2004.

Status History

Date Action Description
2/4/2004 CR Submitted  
2/4/2004 CR Acknowledged  
2/11/2004 Clarification Meeting Scheduled Clarification Meeting Scheduled for February 13, 2004. 
2/13/2004 Clarification Meeting Held  
2/19/2004 Status Changed Status changed to presented 
2/19/2004 Discussed at Monthly CMP Meeting Discussed at the February Systems CMP Monthly Meeting; please see the February Systems CMP Distribution Package, Attachments B, H, J 
3/18/2004 Discussed at Monthly CMP Meeting Discussed at the March Systems CMP Monthly Meeting; please see March Systems CMP Distribution Package, Attachment I 
4/22/2004 Discussed at Monthly CMP Meeting Discussed at the April Systems CMP Monthly Meeting; please see April Systems CMP Distribution Package, Attachment I 
5/20/2004 Discussed at Monthly CMP Meeting Discussed at the May Systems CMP Monthly Meeting; please see May Systems CMP Distribution Package, Attachment I 

Project Meetings

June 16, 2004 Email Sent to Alltel: Thank you.

-- June 16, 2004 Email Received from Byron Dowding, Alltel: Yes

- June 15, 2004 Email Sent to Alltel: Good Afternoon Byron, Do you agree with this CR being Withdrawn? Please advise. Thank you, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM

- June 9, 2004 Email Sent to Alltel: Hello Byron -- I have attached a copy of the current CR for JAVA Upgrade. It is now appropriate to have this CR Withdrawn. The CLEC Community agreed that we could work with you off-line to withdraw the CR, see the May 20th Meeting Minutes. Please advise if you disagree with this CR being Withdrawn. Thanks Much, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM - System

May 20, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting Discussion: Peggy Esquibel-Reed/Qwest stated that she is working off-line with Alltel to withdraw this CR. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that we are waiting for the JAVA patch in June and then we will recode and test. Connie said that we are targeting the 16.0 release.

April 22, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting Discussion: Connie Winston/Qwest stated that when Qwest was getting ready to implement 15.0, it was discovered that Internet login had not been done. It was found out that that the PC’s would not work due to a JAVA bug. Connie stated that Qwest re-coded to version 1.3 and released on version 1.3. Connie stated that the CLECs were notified that Qwest was releasing with version 1.3 and not with 1.4 or Internet. Connie stated that there has been communication with JAVA and noted that the workaround that Qwest was given does not work. Connie stated that this means that Qwest has to wait for their bug fix, the end of June. Connie stated that after it is fixed, it has to be tested. Connie stated that there is not yet a date for rolling out version 1.4. Connie stated that version 1.3 does have security problems, just as Qwest had advised. Connie stated that Qwest had coded around the security problems and now are being asked to fix this. Connie stated that with the cut & paste functional issue a while back, Qwest communicated that there was a potential security risk. Connie stated that the JAVA fix would take care of the security issue. Connie stated that another issue in going to 1.4 is testing and everyone being ready to go to 1.4. Connie stated that this would be a significant effort and partnership. Connie stated that this would require downloads and will need to be coordinated. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon asked if this caused an impact. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T responded that it did to AT&T Consumer and is due to a detected bug. Donna stated that they cannot rollback to version 1.3. Connie Winston/Qwest asked if AT&T has been doing without all this time. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T stated, no, they have been going along but they cannot roll back to 1.3. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that she does not know if any one else is having an issue and stated that she would talk to a developer who has indicated that it is possible to have multiple versions on your desktop, even though it is difficult and needs to be very well coordinated. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T stated that Lydell (Peterson/Qwest) has indicated that the bug fix would be in October. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that it could be, after Qwest installs the bug fix and tests it. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T stated that AT&T might escalate. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon stated that she does not know if Eschelon was impacted by not going to 1.4. Stephanie Prull/Eschelon stated that there was no impact to Eschelon due to the way they are set-up. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon stated that they were forced to move to 1.4 for SBC and asked Stephanie (Prull/Eschelon) how that was managed. Stephanie Prull/Eschelon stated that they are on individual platforms and set-up. Stephanie stated that they do not interact. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T stated that she would discuss off-line with Stephanie Prull (Eschelon). Connie Winston/Qwest stated that if Qwest IT help is needed, to let Qwest know and Qwest would involve a developer to assist. Nancy Sanders/Comcast stated that they do have several versions running but it is very difficult. There were no additional questions or comments. This Action Item remains open.

April 12, 2004 Email Sent to Byron Dowding @Alltel: Byron, This email is to advise you that I have removed the Pending Withdrawal Status on your CR and have changed the status to Presented. I have also added an Action Item, to the CR, in order for Qwest to discuss the CR at the April 22, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting. Thank you, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM - Systems

-- April 1, 2004 Email Sent to Byron Dowding at Alltel: Byron, Thank you for your response. I have placed the CR in Pending Withdrawal Status, for formal withdrawal at the April Systems CMP Meeting. Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest Systems CMP CRPM -- Systems

-- April 1, 2004 Email Received from Alltel, Byron Dowding: I will withdraw this CR. Byron

March 31, 2004 Email Sent to Byron Dowding-Alltel: Hi Byron, Have you made your decision regarding the withdrawal of your CR, based on the discussion at the March CMP Meeting? Please advise. Thanks, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM -- Systems

-- March 23, 2004 Email Sent to Byron Dowding/Alltel: Hi Byron, This email is to adise that your submitted CR was discussed in the March Systems CMP Meeting last week and to ask, based on last week's discussion, if you would now withdraw your CR. Please review the excerpt from that meeting, below, and advise. Thanks much. Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM -- Systems

SYSTEMS MEETING MINUTES EXCERPT: SCR020404-01 Provide Status of SCR020404-01 JAVA Upgrade (originated by Alltel) Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest will upgrade to 1.4.15 with the 15.0 Release and stated that with the 16.0 Release, it would upgrade to 1.4.2. Connie stated that in general, Qwest will continue to upgrade JAVA as part of doing business and noted that CMP CRs are not needed to upgrade. Connie stated that Global Action Items could be opened, if needed. Connie stated that it is not the CLECs responsibility to ask Qwest to upgrade. John Berard/Covad asked if he would need to upgrade individual PC’s. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that a Notice would go out and it would have the instructions. There were no comments or questions. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest would work off-line with Alltel for the withdrawal of this CR and noted that the Action Item would be Closed.

March 18, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting Discussion: Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest will upgrade to 1.4.15 with the 15.0 Release and stated that with the 16.0 Release, it would upgrade to 1.4.2. Connie stated that in general, Qwest will continue to upgrade JAVA as part of doing business and noted that CMP CRs are not needed to upgrade. Connie stated that Global Action Items could be opened, if needed. Connie stated that it is not the CLECs responsibility to ask Qwest to upgrade. John Berard/Covad asked if he would need to upgrade individual PC’s. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that a Notice would go out and it would have the instructions. There were no comments or questions. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest would work off-line with Alltel for the withdrawal of this CR and noted that the Action Item would be Closed.

- March 9 2004 Email Sent to Alltel: Byron, The status of SCR020404-01 will not be changed to Pending Withdrawal. The status is now 'Evaluation' for further review of the request. Thank you, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM -- Systems

March 9, 2004 Email Received from Alltel:

I don't want the CR moved to Pending Withdrawal for now.

My business case is this: Companies are trying to make the software on PCs standardized throughout for all users. ALLTEL has elected to place Java 1.4.2 on all PCs this year. This would require the Nebraska CLEC to 1. Try to run two versions of Java on one PC or 2. Run 1.4.105 and risk not using some of the applications that might only run on 1.4.2.

So my preference is everyone would agree moving to 1.4.2

Byron

-- March 8, 2004 Email Sent to Byron Dowding/Alltel: Good Morning Byron, Have you had an opportunity to review and come to a decision regarding the email below, sent on March 2nd? Should we place the CR in Pending Withdrawal status? Please advise. Thank you, Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM -- Systems

- March 2, 2004 Email Sent to Alltel: Hi Byron, In regard to your request to upgrade Java to version 1.4.2; Qwest is upgrading Java to version 1.4.105 on April 19, 2004. It is being upgraded as part of the normal Release activities that take place. You have indicated that 1.4.105 would work for VeriSigns application's. I realize that your preference is 1.4.2, but with this new information of an upgrade already taking place that would work with your application's), is this sufficient to meet your need? If so, shall I place the CR in Pending Withdrawal Status, for withdrawal at the March CMP Meeting? If you do not believe that it will meet your need, can you please advise what your business need is for version 1.4.2 over 1.4.105? Based on that information, I can then schedule another meeting to discuss this request, if necessary.

Thanks for your attention to this matter. Peggy Esquibel-Reed Qwest CMP CRPM -- Systems

-- February 19, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting Discussion: Byron Dowding/Alltel reviewed the CR Description. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest understands the request. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon asked Alltel to elaborate on the CR. Byron Dowding/Alltel stated that their vendor is moving to 1.4.2 and without going to that version, Alltel would not have all the features. Byron stated that Alltel would like to move to the standard of 1.4.2. Byron asked how this would affect other CLECs. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon stated that Eschelon also uses VeriSign so they are probably in the same position. There were no additional questions or comments. This CR moves to Presented Status.

Judy Schultz/Qwest stated that she wanted to provide an update to the funding approval process that was discussed in the January CMP Systems Meeting. Judy referred everyone to Attachment J in the Distribution Package. She stated that all CRs are being re-evaluated and must be approved. Judy said that CRs could not be scheduled without approval. Judy noted that the status of this CR is: This CR is New

February 13, 2004 Email Received from Alltel: Peggy, VeriSign's response. VeriSign has not tested 1.4.105 but has been told that it will work for their application.

I have talked with our Alltel IT group and Alltel's preference is to move to 1.4.2 . Alltel is going to make this their default Java version this year.

I should have asked on the call why the person from Qwest preferred 1.4.105 versus 1.4.2 .

If you have any questions let me know.

Byron

Systems Clarification Meeting Date: February 13, 2004 CR No & Title: SCR020404-01 JAVA Upgrade

Introduction of Attendees: Byron Dowding-Alltel, Peggy Esquibel Reed-Qwest, Don Oakes-Qwest, Jim Recker-Qwest, Connee Moffatt-Qwest, Denny Graham-Qwest, Justin Sewell-Qwest, Hank Martinez-Qwest

Review Requested (Description of) Change: IMA GUI needs to be upgraded to support JAVA 1.4.2. ALLTEL and VeriSign are moving to implement JAVA 1.4.2 in the very near future. VeriSign has already moved to 1.4.2 and backed it out so Alltel could continue getting to the NPAC. (Number Portability Administration Center. Used to support LNP).

Expected Deliverable: Implement by July 2004.

Confirmed Impacted Area(s): Pre-Order, Ordering

Confirmed Impacted Interfaces: IMA GUI

Confirmed Impacted Products: LNP, UBL

Additional Discussion: Byron Dowding-Alltel asked if CEMR uses JAVA. Justin Sewell-Qwest responded that CEMR is a web-based application and that this CR is not an issue for CEMR. Connee Moffatt-Qwest asked that if Qwest upgrades JAVA, could previous versions still be used, is it downward compatible. Don Oakes-Qwest stated that all users would need to do the upgrade. Don Oakes-Qwest asked if the version had to be upgraded to 1.4.2. Byron Dowding-Alltel stated that he is not a JAVA expert but that version 1.4.2 was the recommendation. Byron stated that he would send an email to VeriSign and ask that question. Byron will provide the information to Peggy Esquibel-Reed at Qwest. Connee Moffatt-Qwest asked what the impact to Alltel is. Byron Dowding-Alltel stated that he receives an error message stating that he is using the wrong version of JAVA and the result is that he cannot use number port. Don Oakes-Qwest stated that the current version is 1.3.1. Byron Dowding-Alltel stated that he wanted to test to see if he could use two different versions. Don Oakes-Qwest asked if VeriSign would support 1.4.105. Byron Dowding-Alltel asked if there were major differences. Don Oakes-Qwest stated that there probably was not a major difference. Connee Moffatt-Qwest asked if there was a charge to the CLECs to purchase the upgrade. Don Oakes-Qwest stated that it is a free download and noted that Qwest would provide the link for the download. Byron Dowding-Alltel asked when the upgrade is complete, is it backward compatible. Qwest responded that it depends on system variables. Byron Dowding-Alltel stated that he would send Qwest the information regarding the version, from VeriSign. There were no additional comments or questions.

Obtain the Business Need from the CR Originator-What is the problem that needs to be solved: To allow Alltel to use IMA GUI and enable Alltel to number port.

Establish Action Plan & Resolution Time Frame: Alltel to email VeriSign regarding JAVA version and send to Qwest. CR is due for presentation at the February 19, 2004 Systems CMP Meeting. Qwest will provide the response to the CR in March 2004. (Section 5.1.4)

CenturyLink Response

DRAFT RESPONSE March 9, 2004

RE: SCR020404-01 JAVA Upgrade

Qwest has reviewed the information submitted as part of Change Request SCR020404-01. Based upon research that has been conducted following the Clarification Meeting Qwest is still examining the issue. Qwest will continue to research the problem and provide a status at the March Systems CMP Meeting.

At the March Monthly Systems CMP Meeting, CMP participants will be given the opportunity to comment on this Change Request and provide additional clarifications. Qwest is interested in the experiences of the CMP community as relates to this issue. Qwest will incorporate any feedback received at the next Monthly Systems CMP Meeting into further evaluation of this Change Request.

Sincerely, Qwest

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